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Fila Brasileiro

Postby lynners on Fri Apr 08, 2011 1:00 pm

The Fila Brasileiro is a breed of dog surrounded by much controversy based on it's historical temperament. This statement in the Australian Shepard thread was the inspiration for starting off this discussion:

Any breeder that goes against the breed standard should not be breeding.


Historically, Fila Brasileiro posess a trait called "ojeriza" which can be translated loosely into an intense dislike or hatred for strangers. There are two organizations at polar opposites regarding breeding for this trait.

1. CAFIB (Club for the Improvement of the Fila Brasileiro) insists on selectively breeding for this unique trait.
"The standard for ojeriza states that the dog should not ”allow the judge (a stranger) to touch it. And if it attacks the judge, such a reaction must not be considered a fault, but only a confirmation of its temperament.”

2. FCI (which I can't find a definition for?!) insists on a dog that LOOKS like a Fila, but posesses a much nicer temperament.

Which leads me to the question, is it ethical to breed for ojeriza, even if it is historically accurate?
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Re: Fila Brasileiro

Postby agcranfill on Fri Apr 08, 2011 1:37 pm

Dogs have historically been bred to serve many different purposes. I think that all things evolve. English bulldogs were originally fighting dogs and now they are just slobber monsters. I believe in breed standards, but I do not believe it is ethical to purposefully strive for a trait that could put other peoples lives in danger.
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Re: Fila Brasileiro

Postby 4CrazyCanines on Fri Apr 08, 2011 4:27 pm

Wow! I've never heard of this breed before. Would you mind posting some informational links, Lynners?

As far as is it ethical? IMO, I don't think it's ethical to breed any dog that has any sort of aggression problem whatsoever - I don't care if it's aggression towards it's own family, it's own pack, unknown dogs, strangers, whatever. Some breeds, like Aussies, are typically reserved and aloof towards strangers and while breeders do not specifically breed for this trait, it's going to come with a breed that is bred to be a velcro dog to its own family, a working farm dog, and at times, a livestock guardian dog. But to breed not only for a reservation towards strangers but an "intense dislike or hatred for strangers" and one that even "attacks the judge" or whoever, that just seems plain wrong to me, regardless of whether or not it is going against the breed standard.
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Re: Fila Brasileiro

Postby 4CrazyCanines on Fri Apr 08, 2011 4:27 pm

And what registry/registries does this breed belong to?
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Re: Fila Brasileiro

Postby agcranfill on Fri Apr 08, 2011 5:07 pm

If you want quick facts, there's always Wikipedia. I know its not perfect, but I trust it for the basics. They have a page for the Fila Brasileiro.

Oh, and I agree with your post!
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Re: Fila Brasileiro

Postby Deerie me on Fri Apr 08, 2011 5:33 pm

Aloofness is one thing but breeding a dog that will cheerfully maim a stranger for the sake of history is ridiculous, irresponsible and downright dangerous.
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Re: Fila Brasileiro

Postby lynners on Fri Apr 08, 2011 5:36 pm

Argh! I've tried three times to post and my phone keeps refreshing and losing my words.

http://www.sombraultrajantefilas.com/CA ... ndard.html

http://www.fila-brasileiro.org

It is not recognized by the AKC, but is by these registries: CKC, NKC, FCI, CAFIB, APRI, ADR (I don't know what some of these are)
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Re: Fila Brasileiro

Postby Deerie me on Fri Apr 08, 2011 5:41 pm

Strangely enough they are covered by the UK's Dangerous Dogs Act and so are illegal to own in this country without a special licence.
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Re: Fila Brasileiro

Postby kian on Fri Apr 08, 2011 5:46 pm

In this particular breed (which I hadn't heard of as well) should not be bred for aggression. A dog that attacks a judge IMO is just not right. My concern is for those that cannot protect themselves, children, the elderly....many others. Thanks for bringing this up Lynners, I want to learn more about this breed.
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Re: Fila Brasileiro

Postby kian on Fri Apr 08, 2011 6:42 pm

I went to your second link and what a huge beautiful dog that is. After reading more these dogs should be put into qualified homes. With that being said, this statement alarmed me "As this breed becomes better known more and more backyard breeders are producing puppies from poor or crossbred stock". As we know backyard breeders do not care where these dogs go to, that is frightning. "you shouldn't have a lot of friends, casual visitors or acquaintances that have never met the fila dropping by without notice or walking in unannounced ", someone who owns this dog better have good fencing and no friends.

There are some good qualities as well, which brings this back to Lynners question.
Decades ago I would have said no, leave the breed as is. We now live in a world with liabitlity and lots of people who are NOT responsible but want a big tough dog. I have to say given the facts, if it is possible to breed down the temperment and not compromise some of the finer qualities, then so be it. I still want to think more about this.
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Re: Fila Brasileiro

Postby lynners on Fri Apr 08, 2011 6:54 pm

I meant to say this before - I personally do not find it ethical to selectively breed for such a trait. Maybe (a very big maybe) if they could limit the dog to it's native country (Brazil), but then we get into the mucky and ugly territory of breed specific legislation, as Tracy has brought up.

Apparently, the two "types" are also slightly different conformation wise. The American type is more mastiffy (extra skin) in appearance, while the Brazilian (historical) type is more hound like (bloodhound is one of the ancestral breeds). Both types are beautiful, I agree Kian!
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Re: Fila Brasileiro

Postby lynners on Fri Apr 08, 2011 6:55 pm

Oh one more thing, haha.

For references sake, since it's a generally unknown breed, the aggression level can apparently be compared to that of a Caucasian Ovarchka.
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Re: Fila Brasileiro

Postby 4CrazyCanines on Fri Apr 08, 2011 7:19 pm

This is a tough/interesting/"make you think" topic, Lynners! As Kian said, it's frightening that backyard breeders are starting to notice this breed. Any aggressive dog needs to be properly managed, otherwise it's a ticking timebomb. I am sure that these dogs are fine in the *right* hands but in the wrong hands, I would be scared to hear of the consequences.
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Re: Fila Brasileiro

Postby battaniya on Sat Dec 10, 2011 10:40 pm

Hi, new to this site and saw the topic so had to reply. Having owned a Fila for 10 years, I don't ever want to be without one. These are wonderful dogs. When I read elsewhere that they are banned in some countries I was shocked! If socialized properly, this breed is as friendly and interactive as most other dog breeds. Boomer was 6'3" on his hind legs (taller than my husband), and weighed 230 lbs - all muscle. He was bred by a responsible breeder, a veterinarian who was interested in the breed and not making money. Boomer was a sweet lapdog - he tried to be anyway! He was attacked once in our front yard by a stray dog whos owner allowed it to run loose - he came into our yard where Boomer was dozing. I was gardening next to him. The dog was about 60 lbs, and jumped at Boomer, latched his teeth into Boomers jowl. Boomer let out a little yelp, shook his head and the dog was thrown across the yard (a half acre yard on our farm). He stood up dazed, shook himself off, looked at Boomer and ran off. Boomer THEN stood up, turned to look at me when I ran to examine him and found his jowl (upper "lip" skin) bleeding from the bite wound, and he wagged his tail and looked at me rather confused about what had happened. The vet said the teeth went thru his skin but no major damage done otherwise. This is the same dog (my Fila), that wouldnt let the contractor set foot inside the house when he was coming to replace our furnace, even though he'd been at our house for the past two months working on renovation, and is also the same dog who walked up to the strangers with small children in a family walking past our road, wagging his tail and quietly letting everyone pet him, even though he'd never met them. I took him to baseball games my kids were involved with and every stranger that came up to him was greeted with a wagging tail. Because he was so friendly my husband thought there would be no problem with letting the contractor in the house, but I told him it wouldnt happen, and the contractor called, we had to come home from work, and the dog then greeted the man as a great friend. But the contractor said he acted like he was going to rip him apart when he tried to set foot inside the house the dog was guarding. This is also the same dog who was terrified to move when we had our eight week old kitten walking all over him while he was trying unsuccessfully to nap. He didn't want to hurt the kitten! This is the same breed that has been bred for brio or ojeriza. As I said, any breed of dog can be aggressive - my mothers maltese is more vicious than my Fila! The are wonderful dogs - if any of them have a bad rep its due to the owner or handler, not the dog. Unless they are in "guard" mode, and are socialized, these dogs are the equivalent of a basset hound with long legs! I plan on having at least two more in the near future,and as I mentioned, never want to be without one again.
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Re: Fila Brasileiro

Postby Dogman#1 on Fri Aug 24, 2012 3:09 am

All I can say is WOW! I know this is an old thread but holy cow, I couldnt help but post here. I have NEVER in my life heard supposed "dog" people talk about breeding against specific traits that are actually called for in a breed's standard... Yes, this is not a breed for everyone so if you dont want to or cant handle a specific breed with ALL of its specific traits then dont get one and by no means does that mean that you should breed specifically w/o some of the traits that YOU dont like so that it will fit your lifestyle... get another breed that doesnt have a hatred of strangers, get a poodle or you can get one of those dogs that are now "shells" of their original self like the English bulldog or English mastiff. Trying to breed a Fila w/o is insanely hard protective nature is like breeding a slow greyhound because it is dangerous because it might get away and cause an accident or slam a child while doing 30mph... please stay far the hell away from this breed, your train of thought is what developed the "crippled warrior" (English bulldog). I'm sorry but this thread has left such a completely nasty taste in my mouth... for the person who was the 6'3 250lb dog....there is only one breed of dog that gets that large and it aint a fila. you might be able to socialize a fila when it is a pup in order to make it more controllable but if your fila lets someone pet it then you got had. one can NEVER be complacent with a real fila, I dont care how good you think you are, you cannot overide genes and it is those that thought they could that would put this breed in danger.
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