Bingo!! My argument as well, these are NOT designer dogs, but bred down for size without compromising any characteristics. Having said that, I am not a fan of the toys, that is too extreme and they do come with health issues particularly in the eyes.agcranfill wrote:Genetics are genetics. It seems so political and not at all based on the facts. How can miniature schnauzers and toy poodles be allowed but not Miniature Australian Shepherds?
agcranfill wrote:Accelerated Aussies-
I understand the argument against the lessening of the herding drive. But I think you are being narrow minded about it. Do you think that show Aussies are bred to be aloof towards strangers? Or that they value herding instinct as high as a straight backline when making a breeding match? Of course not. And the same variations exist in Mini breeders. If the Australian Shepherd standard says that “Quality is not to be sacrificed in favor of size.” Does that not show that a smaller dog can be an affective herder? Some Minis are bred for work, and some are bred more for families. But even if you don’t agree with that statement, you have to recognize some hypocrisy in condemning Minis while accepting show line Aussies.
But for the sake of argument, lets just say that Minis are bred to be pets. What is so wrong with that? I’d bet $40 dollars that there are more people with Australian Shepherds that don’t herd than do. And when that goes, why do you need a dog that nips and is stranger passive? What is wrong with a dog with all of the intelligence, agility, beauty and love minus the drive to move livestock? People are told to socialize Aussies young to make them friendly with strangers and to scold them from nipping to keep them from herding people. Doesn’t sound like anybody wants those behaviors besides those using their dog for its original purpose.
So basically I am saying, that even if you were right about the repurposing of the Aussie for a wider audience, I don’t think that’s always a bad thing. Dogs used to be our workers: hunting, guarding, ratting, herding. But now they are our pets. I think as long as working lines stay strong for those who prefer them, there should be no problem with having dogs that prefer Frisbee and belly rubs. (Maybe I am biased, I do have a Golden Retriever that hates retrieving, haha)
I don’t know if I was hostile or not. I may have come off a bit heated. I think it was a bit of built up frustration from reading message boards. I really do respect the heritage and incredible herding instinct of the Australian Shepherd. I also respect your opinion. You didn’t try to condescend or declare that Minis are mutts. My point was really to offer an alternative of perspective.
Ps- I agree that toys are weird. I don’t trust their pedigree. Their faces are too small and their eyes too big.
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