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Dog Walking

Postby kenna on Thu Jun 28, 2012 10:12 am

I always try to take my dogs, Jack and Kipper, for walks but they always pull at the leash. I've seen on TV shows that you're supposed to knee or kick your dog if they pull, is that right? It seems kinda mean and harsh. If they're not pulling, they're ripping across the street to get a cat.
Kipper has a choke chain, but I feel like I'm hurting him by using it. But if I don't use it then he'll slip his collar and run away. Jack doesn't have a choke chain, but he always pulls and when I pull back he chokes and then I feel bad because I feel like I'm torturing them.
Now I just put them in the back yard to run out energy, because its so hard to get them calm enough so that I can put their leashes on and get out of the house without getting cut, scratched, etc. Is being outside almost all day enough? Or can someone please help me find a way to calm them down and take them for a walk.
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Re: Dog Walking

Postby Oliver & Henry's Mum on Thu Jun 28, 2012 5:54 pm

Firstly, NEVER kick, hit or hurt your dog in any way, to teach them ANYTHING!!!!!

If you are using a choke chain, are you using it properly? There is a right way and a wrong way to put them on. If the dog is relaxed, and sitting beside you, the chain should automatically loosen. Using your left wrist as an example, put the chain on so that the part to which you clip the leash is on top, and the ring that slides is below that. Notice when you pull and release, the chain does the same. If you do it the other way around, the chain stays tight.

Basic Obedience Classes would be of great benefit to you. While I am not in a position to give precise advice on how to teach a dog to walk on a leash properly, I do know that you should be starting in the backyard, or confined space, probably with one dog at a time. Dogs do not automatically learn how to walk on a leash.

I also don't understand your remark that "if they're not pulling, they're ripping across the street to get to a cat". How is that possible if they are leashed?

Hopefully Kian will be along to give you some constructive tips on how to start this process, but I really do think taking classes and/or hiring a trainer to work with you (as it is the humans who require the teaching mostly) would be in your best interest.

Unless you are in the backyard with the dogs, running and playing and ensuring they receive mental and physical stimulation, they probably are not receiving enough "exercise".

Good luck!

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Re: Dog Walking

Postby iheartmydog on Fri Jun 29, 2012 2:37 am

Deb gave you good advice ;) I'll just add to the choke chain bit. Choke chains are used for obedience training, if used on a dog that is constantly putting tension on it, you could end up seriously injuring their trachea. (I don't like Choke chains personally and would not use one on my dogs.)

Here's a couple videos on loose leash training
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFgtqgiAKoQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueE1S1k74Ao

That Youtube user's channel is a great source for information and training videos :)
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Re: Dog Walking

Postby kenna on Fri Jun 29, 2012 10:58 am

Thank you for your advice. When I say if they're not pulling they're ripping across the street to get a cat, that means they pull the leash out of my hand and run away chasing a cat. Thankfully we have caught them each time they've run away. Again thank you for the advice and I am definitely going to try those techniques.
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Re: Dog Walking

Postby Emma & Kay on Fri Jun 29, 2012 11:33 am

If you hold the leash with the loop/handle over your thumb, and the rest of the leash against your palm, you've got a pretty solid hold. If push comes to shove, you can let go of the leash, but it'll be harder for the dog to pull it from your hand and dart into traffic because you can make your hand into a fist.

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It's important you remember how to put a choke on if you're going to use it, so...Dead ring under live ring. :)
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Re: Dog Walking

Postby Nileska on Sat Nov 10, 2012 9:11 pm

The mistake most beginners make useing the SLIP collar is to try to drag the dog around choking and gagging and they wonder why they are not makeing any progress.Choke collar is a misnomer as that is not the object!

To begin,put the training collar on as directed...if the ring where you attach the lead tightens the collar when you pull it and releases it when you let go you have the collar on right,if not,reverse it and try again.Nowthen,you will need a good 6ft leather training lead (hold it as instructed,you may shorten it as needed by folding the excess in the palm of your hand.)

Put your dog on a sit by your left side.Say heel and step off smartly,at the same time,holding the lead straight down pop straight forward and release,if the dog surges ahead quickly change direction,pop and release.Continue this until your dog is beginning to stay by your side.Treat and repeat...Keep everything jolly,convince your pup that "WE"are haveing great fun!

Sorry Kian,but I think this crittur requires the Koehler method :roll: :mrgreen:
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Re: Dog Walking

Postby kenna on Sun Dec 02, 2012 12:14 pm

Thank you all for the helpful tips!! Hopefully they will help!
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Re: Dog Walking

Postby elleB on Thu Mar 14, 2013 7:19 am

Just enroll your dog in an obedience class and you'll learn quickly how to control the dog.
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Re: Dog Walking

Postby bebopblue1 on Thu Mar 14, 2013 10:59 am

I was dealing with the same problem with our rescue dog Gracie. She has never learned to walk on a leash properly.

I'm not a professional by all means, and all the tips the other users gave you are great and I agree with. And as I had the same problem maybe my experience in a little bit more detail can help you as well. Because I know how disappointing it can be when you have the feeling you can't give your dog a great experience when walking and can't enjoy yourself neither. For me a 360 degree approach worked the best.

1) getting the dog's attention in general
2) the collar
3) the "kick"
4) the obedience class
5) time and patience

1) Attention:
Gracie is a great and loving dog but wouldn't give much attention to me when she was alert by some other stimulus that was more interesting. And that was almost everything when we took a walk, a sense in the air or on the ground, the wind, the speed she didn't agree with, a noise, a mailbox, .... almost everything. I gave her firm but quick correction with the leash, she was good for a second or two and then started pulling again. I changed directions, let her sit, started walking again and after five seconds we were back to pulling. I tried treats in front of her nose to make her follow but that didn't work for her, she was not even interested in a treat when she was in her alert zone. I thought I already tried every good tip a dog trainer can give you but it just didn't work. I had to do something different, a bit unconventional. I started to change the training environment for this purpose. It's like taking steps back but in fact it accelerated the training process for us. I started to spend my time (f.e. until the pasta water was cooking) to teach her little tricks. At home treats worked wonder and she started to listen in a different way. Even though I didn't plan to have a circus dog ever, Gracie seemed to have fun with it and she started to be more interested in what I want from her. So I kept doing it, even outside when we were walking. Maybe I was more clear on my commands and as a result she would "sit pretty" or shake paws even when she was distracted by something else. I guess this is because she knows exactly what I want from her in that moment. Of course there is no switch from one day to the other but the amount of attention slowly increased. And I think it was important to do that randomly. While another dog was barking behind a fence we passed but also when she was more in a more relaxed stage. I tried to do it in every situation, not only when she was alert and not only when she was more relaxed. This way the commands became more unexpected for Gracie and therefore she developed a higher attention level in general. Now (after 2 months of training she is almost perfect on the leash).

2)The collar:
I started with a regular buckle collar, like probably everybody that hasn't worked with a difficult dog before. Gracie pulled and pulled until she almost choked herself. I changed to a non-slip-collar (nylon with a chain part) with no big change in her behavior. By that time I had already registered for obedience class and the trainers wanted us to have a non-slip-collar or choke chain or prong collar. Uhhh, a prong collar I thought, I don't wanna do that to Gracie (now I know it looks worse than it actually is, if used the right way). But anyway I bought a choke chain, which for us works just fine. I think it's important to remember that no matter what training collar you use or works for your dog, it still is a training "tool" and should only be put on for the times of training. This - to me - is something people can do wrong, to buy a more effective collar and then expect the collar to change the dogs behavior for ever. In fact a collar is only a tool that can help you with your training but it doesn't do the training for you.

The choke chain we are using is just big enough to easily fit over her head and not much longer. Otherwise it has too much play and you will have a hard time to give that quick effective correction you are looking for. And it's most effective if it sits right behind the ears, very high on the neck and I also try to keep the end of the collar where the leash is connected to, right on top. You might have to adjust the collar and put it back to this position while you do your training as it will naturally follow gravity after a little while ;-) The better the collar sits right there, the less power you will need to give your correction.

3) The "kick"
I think the kick is something that became kind of popular with the Cesar Milan shows. But I fear that too many people think they can do it the same way as Cesar does it. If you watch Cesar he is never really "kicking", it's more of a touch. It comes exactly in the right moment, unexpected for the dog, correlates with the rest of his body language and leash corrections and sounds. And he is not using this "kick" for more then 2 or 3 times.

But we "normal dog owners" didn't practice that for the last 20 years with several hundreds of dogs and so it can happen that it gives the wrong signal to the dog or even worse it really hurts him, as this part of the dog's body is very sensitive. As I'm not really sure how to do it right I simply don't do it with my foot. But I found something that might help too, at least it worked for Gracie and me.

Instead of using my foot I took the rest of the leash behind my body and let the end of it lightly touching Gracie's flank. You will see that the area is sensitive enough to make the dog feel something and change his focus for a second. And this little second is your moment to get the dog's attention back and immediately continue with your training. It is important that there is a change for your dog immediately as otherwise it just becomes ineffective.

4) Obedience Class
Yes, I think the obedience class is something every dog and every dog owner should visit at least the basic one. It's a lot of different stuff you learn there and it's not so much about sit and down as your dog may already do that at home (like Gracie did). What she and me got out of the classes is the patience to sit still while the trainers explain the next command, to become socialized around other dogs without running free and playing like in the dog park. It's about the two of you becoming one unit as it's you and your dog in the middle of many other units. I think this is a very important experience beyond the obedience commands which will strengthen your relationship. It will help you in many different ways.

5) Patience and time:
Yeah, sounds so obvious but it isn't as easy as it may seem, at least it wasn't for me. I found that I had to keep the training super short. Even though it meant I had to back to "start", a stage I thought we already have left behind. If it is only 2 minutes you can get your dog's full attention it's 2 minutes and that is fine. Next week it may be already 5 minutes and so on. Just try to have a plan what you wanna train with your dog and also try that it is you who ends the training session. Rather end with the dog's full attention after 2 minutes and have a happy feeling then try to do 15 minutes in a row and it's your dog ending the session by simply walking away and you are unhappy even though the other 14 minutes were great.

Later the walk itself can and will be the physical and mental exercise for your dog(s) the same time. But in the beginning you may wanna play some more fetch in the backyard or let them run in the dog park for the physical part and focus on the mental part and keep the walks short, until they are getting better on the leash. And maybe try one dog after the other as two dogs at the same time would be even tough or too much for professional dog trainers.

I hope this helped a little. I think you will do great and your dogs and you will have a great time together. Just don't put too much pressure on yourself, it's baby steps for us normal people :-)
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Re: Dog Walking

Postby kian on Thu Mar 14, 2013 5:46 pm

Not a fan of kicking or using choke, prong collars. Not bad response, Bepo. I'm a expert trainer, this video link is by Victoria Stilwell, her concept and mine are virtually identical! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeTBGMYZj5I
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Re: Dog Walking

Postby oldie moldy on Fri Mar 15, 2013 7:24 am

That was well thought out and written "Bebop" although I'm new here myself, let me say welcome!

All though, I have to wonder what your mother was thinking to name you that, it must have been tough in grade school. And what if you decided to take up a career in classical music?

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