Oliver & Henry's Mum wrote:
To "ilovemypups", please note that Nileska, aka Richard, has been involved with dogs for more than 60 years, breeding, showing, all things dog! Garlic is only toxic in high amounts. Before you admonish a long standing fellow member, please be sure you know the facts.
You have given an 8 week old puppy a very toxic substance, which I can't imagine would be recommended at such a young age. Why would you have this pup at 6 weeks of age anyway? You also mentioned that it was not the Vet who gave you this medication, but an assistant. I certainly would not have administered such a drug to such a young pup. Heartworm is caused by mosquitoes and unless you live in a heavily infested area, which is uncommon at this time of year, then I can't imagine why you would give it at all, until the pup was at least four months old, or the weather dictated!
Please be respectful of our members as we will be with you. I hope your puppy manages this dose and that there are no lasting ill affects. I am rather surprised that you gave such a young pup this medication even after reading the pamphlet that specifically said not to be administered to a pup under 8 weeks of age. That is a minimum guideline for times when Mosquitoes are rampant. Unless you live in a rain forest, or an extremely tropical climate, this is not the time of year for that. Lastly, this medication is intended for FLEA prevention....not Heartworm. Perhaps it covers both, but in all my years of dog ownership, it has never made sense to me to poison a dog from the inside out with such toxic chemicals.
I just viewed your profile and noticed that you have a "flea collar" on your young pup. Those things don't work AT ALL!!! I also checked your IP to see in which area you live. I hardly think fleas and/or mosquitoes are a concern at this time of year, especially with this winter.
Yeah, about that.. I wasn't admonishing Nileska. I was stating that I wouldn't give my dog garlic... You also said "Please be respectful of our members as we will be with you." I don't feel that you were being very respectful. I feel as though you were being EXTREMELY condescending and presumptuous, and I am highly offended. Not that you care, but just wanted you to know how your comments came off to me & that you were also "admonishing".. Your intent may have been good, but the way it read came off in a way that really just rubbed me the wrong way.
Anyway... In regards to your questions (which are really none of your business, by the way)..
1.) Why would you have this pup at 6 weeks of age anyway?
1a.) The lady that I got him from breeds Great Pyrenees in my area. This litter that my dog came from was not really expected. - Long story short: Their main male got shot by someone, so they got a new dog, but he has some issues with his sperm & hasn't produced any puppies. Anyway, they keep all of their dogs out in the pasture (of course it's fenced), and their main reason for getting the Great Pyrenees was to "take care of their coyote problem".. Their female was in heat & didn't get impregnated by their male, because of his sperm issues, but they found a loose Rottweiler out there with the female that was in heat & thus came my puppy.. I picked him out when he was 3 weeks old- You can see him at that age in some of the pictures I posted..
My mom was due to have back surgery the following week, so I asked the lady I got my puppy from when the earliest was that I could pick him up, because I would have to be the primary caretaker for my mother & didn't know when I could get out there after her surgery. They live about an hour away from where I do. She said the earliest that she could let the puppies go was at 6 weeks, so I got my puppy when he was 6 weeks old. He was weened & had spent a week away from his mom. When I went to pick him up, she was out in the pasture with their other Great Pyrenees', enjoying the sun.. Also, a lot of people get 6 week old puppies. The day after I got my little guy, I took him to go see the vet & he said Xander was perfectly healthy. I got to spend a week with him before my mom had back surgery & just enjoy getting to know him.
2.) You also mentioned that it was not the Vet who gave you this medication, but an assistant.
2a.) Yes, it was his assistant. She said that they don't typically start them on medication until they're 4-6 months old & I said "oh, okay." and that was that... Or so I thought.. But she came running out when I was loading Alexander & Romeo (my other dog) up in the car to go home & handed me the pamphlet & a sample pill of Trifexis. I took it & said "thank you." - It was the first I'd ever heard of the drug.
3.) I certainly would not have administered such a drug to such a young pup.
3a.) I read the pamphlet & they said the minimum age was 8 weeks old. They didn't say "8 weeks old and when Mosquitoes are rampant." In fact, the exact wording on the pamphlet/box thing (which is mentioned several times) was "For use in dogs and puppies 8 weeks of age and older, and 5 pounds of body weight or greater. FOR DOGS 10.1 - 20 LBS"
4.) Heartworm is caused by mosquitoes and unless you live in a heavily infested area, which is uncommon at this time of year, then I can't imagine why you would give it at all, until the pup was at least four months old, or the weather dictated!
4a.) In Oklahoma, there's always mosquitoes. You do realize that you CAN grow bananas and palm trees here, right? Or at least you can where I live. You can even grow Uzu, which is a type of citrus. We don't normally get snow where I live. If we do, it's typically just for a few hours (if that) & then it's just melted down to water or ice, but it doesn't normally even get cold enough to freeze water into ice.. If it does, it's a freaky, uncommon occurance! And the assistant did mention the 4 month old thing, but she wasn't adamant about it. My puppy wouldn't meet the weight criteria for the dosage she gave me at 4 months, anyway. It's for dogs 10.1 to 20 lbs. My puppy weighed 9.2 lbs at 6 weeks old.
5.) I hope your puppy manages this dose and that there are no lasting ill affects.
5a.) Thank you. He seems fine. Right after I hit the "Submit" button, I had company come over & he was up, playing around, chewing on his toys & stuff like normal. He seems fine. No facial or eye sensitivity, vomiting or etc. I am still keeping an eye on him, though. Right now he's curled up at my feet, sleeping, and groaning at me (like he always does) when I make a noise that disturbs him. lol
6.) I am rather surprised that you gave such a young pup this medication even after reading the pamphlet that specifically said not to be administered to a pup under 8 weeks of age.
6a.) Alexander will be 8 weeks old in less than 12 hours. I didn't think less than 1 day shy of being 8 weeks old really made that big of a difference. Maybe you were thinking I gave it to him when he was 6 weeks old? - I even thought that was young. I waited until he was a few hours away from being 8 weeks old & when he still met the weight limit for the tablet that I received.
7.) Lastly, this medication is intended for FLEA prevention....not Heartworm.
7a.) You are wrong. I didn't ask about fleas at the vet, I asked about Heartworm protection. They gave me this sample of Trifexis. On the pamphlet it says that it "Prevents Heartworm disease, Kills fleas & prevents infestations & Treats & Controls Intestinal Worms- Adult Hookworm, Roundworm & Whipworm"
8.) Perhaps it covers both, but in all my years of dog ownership, it has never made sense to me to poison a dog from the inside out with such toxic chemicals.
8a.) Funny you say that, because you're acting like I WANTED to "poison" my dog. I didn't. I don't. I love my puppy. I want to take the best care of him that I possibly can. That is WHY I asked my vet about Heartworm preventative in the first place! I don't want him to get that. And yes, it was the assistant that gave me the Trifexis, but perhaps it was because the vet asked her to. I was loading my puppy & my other dog (a 12 1/2 year old Great Pyrenees / Australian Shepherd mix) into the car.. She ran out to give me the sample. They don't normally act on their own & even when I call to get my older dog's prescription filled, they always ask the vet before they refill it.. So I'm guessing (and will ask in 2 weeks when I go see him again) about it. Like I said, my vet was just recently voted best in the city & I trust him & have been using him since he opened his office. He is a great vet. I don't believe he or any of the staff there would give my puppy anything that would intentionally cause him harm.
9.) I just viewed your profile and noticed that you have a "flea collar" on your young pup. Those things don't work AT ALL!!!
9a.) Yes, he has a flea collar for the time being. I know they don't work very well, but the lady that I got my puppy from said that she thought maybe they had gotten fleas, since their mom was outside so much.. So I gave my puppy a bath & mixed in some vinegar with his soap (helps kill fleas) and then used the flea collar until I could give him his Trifexis, which was only about a week or so. I thought it would be better than nothing.
10.) I also checked your IP to see in which area you live. I hardly think fleas and/or mosquitoes are a concern at this time of year, especially with this winter.
10a.) Wow, I feel like my privacy has been invaded. lol You act as if "this winter" has been bad in my area. It hasn't. We haven't even gotten any snow. Besides, how do you know that I'm not port forwarding & that, that IP is not correct?.. Way to jump down my throat for making a mistake (as if you are perfect yourself). At least I care enough about my puppy to even LOOK at the possible issues that Trifexis could have on him.. I care enough to look up the warning signs of adverse affects it could have on him.. A lot of pet owners would not bother or it wouldn't even concern them. So you don't have to talk down to me. I DO care about my puppy & I love him. He could have it so much worse, so just be happy that I am even here, looking at stuff about puppies & that he's not wandering around on the streets by himself, dodging traffic or in some shelter waiting to be put to death.
Thankfully, the Trifexis doesn't seem to be having any adverse side effects on my little guy, I was just worried and paranoid after I read this thread & was just expressing that.